Subject: Re: On interracial relationships, or anything
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:14:10 GMT
NightSerf (acs6j@virginia.edu) wrote:
: > If race does not exist, then the dominant social reality of
: > the last 500 years -- race-based enslavement of African by
: > European, and the consequences we still see in myriad ways --
: > did not and does not exist either.
: A bit of a logical flaw here. If race is a false premise, it
: does not mean that race based practices do not exist, only that
: they are based on a false premise and are therefore stupid.
Er... if race is a "false premise", then "race-based" practices
would not be possible. The original poster's statement was
that "race does not exist". Quite simply, my point remains
that if it does not exist, actions based on it also
could not be possible, and would not exist. You have not
defeated the cogency of that observation either as a matter
of logic, or as a matter of empirical fact. Your attempt at logic
is merely circular -- effectively, "if race is a false premise
then [actions based on it] are based on a false premise". This
hardly advances the dialogue.
: Not that I disagree with you, but you might want to reword this
: in future discussions. Some people will use any logical flaw
: to jump on you with both feet.
Since your argument lacks cogency, as I have just demonstrated,
there is no need for me to do any "rewording". Further, I am quite
capable of taking on any opponent who jumps with both feet,
as you have done, without first putting their brain into gear.
Btw, if you defeat me with argument, I would be only too happy to rearrange
my opinions -- I believe absolutely that my ultimate best good
rests always with the uncovering of, and yielding to, Truth.
The simple truth in this matter is (a) that race exists, and
the fact of its existence allows a global system of racism
(white supremacy) to be practiced, even as (b) it is clear that
this racism (white supremacy) is not so much "stupid", as evil. I
would add that the culture that practices it cannot claim to be
civilized, no matter how technologically accomplished, but that's
another matter. I would add further that the practice of
racism (white supremacy) springs from a deep-seated feeling
of *inferiority* by those who classify themselves as white,
vis-a-vis Black people, the group sought most to be diminished
by racism (white supremacy). That, too, is another matter,
and perhaps another thread. "Stupid" though, is not what
racism (white supremacy) is, and I see through such an attempted
disguise, which racism (white supremacy) is not above attempting.
False premise, my ass!
You offer unsolicited advice (the bit about future "rewording").
Since you give it, I assume you are willing to take it also, and
I will respond with some unsolicited advice of my own: Never
give unsolicited advice unless (a) you are sure it would be welcome,
(b) you are well meaning, and seen to be such, and (c) your
advice can bear at least casual scrutiny.
: regards,
: --
: Serf tomb nor stone nor grave for me
: (andy sims) just a bier up in a tree
: acs6j@virginia.edu to let the cold wind take me in
who is not amused by these artful, but unavailing, dodges
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